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November 23

Scraping Wikipedia for AI Training

It is ok to using scraper to scrape Wikipedia for AI Training? 6D (talk) 04:56, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi 6D. If you want to download a large number of Wikipedia pages, please do not use a web crawler, as the servers use considerable resources to convert wikimarkup to HTML. If you're downloading a small number of pages, leaving a small delay (at least a second per request) might be considered more reasonable, see also the page about database downloads, which has more information about this and how to get a database download instead. You are legally allowed to use content under the CC BY-SA 3.0 licence. You can also reach out to the Wikimedia Foundation's Machine Learning Team (mw:Machine Learning) if you think there's anything you can contribute back. Alpha3031 (t • c) 06:06, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

It will get IP blocked if you scarping too fast? 6D (talk) 06:25, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

It is possible that you might get blocked or rate limited. You will be able to do AI training much faster if you use Database download instead. TiggerJay (talk) 06:47, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

sir dr raj shekhawat has a famous celebrity and political backgroud but have not any wiki pedia page he also karni sena president this should be fixxed

sir dr raj shekhawat has a famous celebrity and political backgroud but have not any wiki pedia page he also karni sena president this should be fixed 2402:A00:408:1B0D:8024:1C3A:D4EB:EB6E (talk) 05:02, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

You can request that an article be created over at Wikipedia:Requested articles, alternately you can consider writing the article yourself. TiggerJay (talk) 06:45, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

How do I make a proper bulleted list in a blockquote?

At Design Law Treaty#Legal provisions, I am unable to make the first bullet being displayed as a bullet (and not as a "*") without putting a <br> before it.

Could someone please show me how to? Veverve (talk) 11:54, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Change the text on {{blockquote}} to use a {{flowlist}} template:

{{Blockquote|text={{flowlist|

Don't forget to add the {{flowlist}}'s closing }} before those of {{blockquote}} Bazza 7 (talk) 12:12, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Watchlist filter

Hi, how can I hide the changes by one user on my watchlist? I've searched the available filters, is there a script? Cheers. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 19:51, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

As far as I know there is no built in way to filter on a specific user other than your own contributes. Perhaps someone else can chime in on a custom, unofficial script to accomplish this. TiggerJay (talk) 03:20, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

I found this work on a user filter from 2017, it seems to have been abandoned. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 09:11, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

FWIW Nimbus227, whatever the third word of your custom sig's usertalk linktext is, it's wholly invisible on my device (I use the dark mode gadget). Please consider restyling it to comply with MOS:CONTRAST. Folly Mox (talk) 11:11, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

I've modified it, visible in dark mode on PC and mobile devices for me. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 11:46, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Confirming I can see it as well. Folly Mox (talk) 12:15, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Chester Braddock deGavre

I am trying to edit my draft. I cannot edit it. Can you please tell me why?? Robert T. deGavre (talk) 21:18, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Robert T. deGavre. What do you mean when you say you can't edit it? What actually happens when you try to edit Draft:Chester Braddock deGavre? ColinFine (talk) 21:21, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Chester Braddock deGavre

Here you are. Please note it's currently in draftspace - the non-public holding place for incomplete and work in progress articles - and isn't likely to be published and moved to mainspace in its current state. Departure– (talk) 21:21, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Yo i got a question on how to make a page?

. PostRhythmRecords (talk) 22:19, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

@PostRhythmRecords Very few folk here respond well to "yo", but I will attempt it. Please read HELP:YFA. I have one caveat, which is your user name. It suggests that you are a business. If it is then you will need to consider changing it, the more so if it reflects your business. You will also need to comply with WP:PAID if writing about this putative business. In any case you may not promote that business 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 22:30, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @PostRhythmRecords. While "make a page" is not a completely wrong description of what we do here, using it suggests that (like many people) you have a misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is and how it works.

A better description is "write an encyclopaedia article about". An article should be a summary of what independent published sources say about a subject, and little else. Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.

It is also the case that trying to create a new article before you have spent time learning about Wikipedia's policy and practices is often very disappointing and frustrating. My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft.

Judging from your username, as FiddleFaddle says, I would advise you to read WP:BOSS, WP:COI, WP:PAID, and WP:Username policy straight away. ColinFine (talk) 22:59, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

November 24

Please remind me—how should I deal with an anonymous reversion of an edit of mine?

Greetings and felicitations. An edit of mine was reverted by a MAC-address user. How do I deal with this, please? —DocWatson42 (talk) 05:02, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

I see that you posted about this on the article talk page on 1 November to look for consensus, which would have been my first suggestion. It would be helpful to explain the reason for the edit on the talk page, was your edit a manual of style correction? TSventon (talk) 05:33, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

On the talk page, you should cite Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Dashes, which explicitly recommens "An em dash is unspaced on both sides". Maproom (talk) 09:06, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

On an unrelated note, please be aware that it was reverted by an IPv6 user, not a MAC address, they look similar but are indeed different things. TiggerJay (talk) 20:35, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

I would be happy to donate by check, but do not use electronic methods of payment. Please let me know how to donate. My email address is <redacted>. Thank you.

I would be happy to donate by check, but do not use electronic methods of payment. Please let me know how to donate. My email address is <redacted>. Thank you. 208.254.116.194 (talk) 06:04, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

See donate:Donate by mail. But do note that the Wikimedia Foundation generally has more than enough money. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 06:12, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Template:Antisemitism sidebar

Can we get a few eyes over at Template talk:Antisemitism sidebar#People section (Nov 2024) Moxy🍁 07:18, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Appears to be well at hand. Does it need EC protection? 2601AC47 (talk·contribs·my rights) Isn't a IP anon 17:47, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Citation template

It seems that the preferred way of referencing has changed over time. For instance, I started up earlier this year the WP article titled, "American Junior Red Cross." I used the old referencing method. What is the purpose of inserting retrieval dates? They serve no purpose when links go to depositories like HathiTrust. The content in printed newspapers and magazines can't be updated. Is the current citation template now preferred in all instances? Should my references at "American Junior Red Cross" be rewritten? (The only reference there using the standard template is not mine.) Thanks. JimPercy (talk) 14:14, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

JimPercy, |access-date= is entirely unnecessary cruft when applied to print sources. Not only are you not required to add it, but you can remove it or comment it out from citations to print sources if you prefer. It tends to get added to everything by scripts that don't know any better. Folly Mox (talk) 17:08, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Relevant discussion at Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 91 § Do we need |access-date ? (November 2023). Folly Mox (talk) 17:49, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

There is guidance on changing citation styles at WP:CITEVAR, which starts by saying Editors should not attempt to change an article's established citation style, merely on the grounds of personal preference or to make it match other articles, without first seeking consensus for the change. TSventon (talk) 17:26, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for both replies. I know that an article's citation style should not be altered. But some people might still think that modernization is in order. That discussion page was interesting. I will have to go over the different thoughts again later. Someone said something about how there should be a template that automatically deletes access dates for magazines and newspapers. JimPercy (talk) 21:45, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Struggling with merging and moving articles in relation to the Emily Prentiss article.

I have been struggling with merging and moving the Emily Prentiss article. I have a draft for Emily Prentiss (a Criminal Minds character) that I'd like to move to mainspace, but the only way I know how to do that would be to copy and paste the content onto the current page for Emily Prentiss, which serves as a redirect to the List of Criminal Minds characters. However, I think I might have accidentally messed that up, and now I'm confused on what to do.

Here are the links to the articles in question if someone can help:

List of Criminal Minds characters

Emily Prentiss

Emily Prentiss (Criminal Minds)

Draft:Emily Prentiss DocZach (talk) 17:20, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @DocZach. I'm not seeing why this character meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability; but if you think she does, the way to proceed to move a draft over a redirect is to post a request at WP:RM/T. ColinFine (talk) 17:37, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Retain or remove citation indicators in quoted text?

Example article text:

There are "two ways to go about this¹ that deserve consideration",¹ one of them "far more preferable for enlightenment purposes (Gergen, 1990) than the other low-information approach."²

The direct quotes from two cited sources each use different citation indicator styles, one with superscripts the other with parentheses.

My question is, for readability, can I remove one or both of the citation indicators, ie: ¹, (Gergen, 1990)?

Thanks! Tsavage (talk) 19:54, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

@Tsavage, it looks like the the parenthetical reference is part of the quoted material rather than a citation in Wikipedia, while the numbers are for Wikipedia citations. It might help to know what article this is from to see the context. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:34, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. There's no particular context, it's a general question, with a made-up example. I'm referring to citations as they appear in quoted material, not citations created in Wikipedia.

My understanding right now (which could be wrong), is that superscript and parentheses are equivalent citation styles, both intended for exactly the same purpose of pointing to a footnoted source; although the parenthetical style provides extra information (eg: author, year), that is not intentional, it's not meant to add to the text. Tsavage (talk) 22:08, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

This wouldn't be the correct place to ask a question for things that are outside of Wikipedia. But if you were thinking about bringing a quotation into Wikipedia, then inline citations that are part of the quote itself, such as Gergen above, could be kept as they are the quoted source materials reference. However the superscript reference would be replaced with a natural wikipedia based reference tag. TiggerJay (talk) 22:36, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

|| the superscript reference would be replaced with a natural wikipedia based reference tag

If the source text uses citations in the superscript number style, are you suggesting that I recreate those citations in the quoted material in Wikipedia?

All I'm asking is whether it is accepted practice to remove the citation indicators, regardless of what style they're in, when quoting material in the text of a Wikipedia article? Tsavage (talk) 01:26, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@Tsavage, I think the answer is likely to depend on the details of a particular article, so it would be better to come back with a real example if you find one. Wikipedia only uses Brief quotations of copyrighted text, see Wikipedia:Non-free content#Text, so putting the content into your own words may be preferable. TSventon (talk) 04:46, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. There's no "real example", I'm trying to find out if there's a Wikipedia convention for this situation. I think the general, or at least safest, answer is to preserve citation indicators in quoted text, in order to fully represent the source. Which is what I'll do! Tsavage (talk) 11:19, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@Tsavage, I agree that preserving citation indicators is safest. The question is somewhat obscure, so you could try the WP:MOS talk page when you have a real example. TSventon (talk) 11:25, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Searching Wikipedia with Regex with Capture?

I have a more complicated use case, but I'm wondering whether any of the message of searching Wikipedia would allow for searching *with* capture, so for example if I'd like to find pages where AAA Pan BBB Pan CCC would be found because it is Pan in both places, but *not* AAA Pan BBB Pot CCC because Pan and Pot are different.

(Actual use case, looking for pages with entries like [[Omega Psi Phi|Omega Psi Phi fraternity]] so regex would be /\[\[[A-Z][a-z]* [A-Z][a-z]* [A-Z][a-z]*\|\1 / ) Is Cirrus my only option (or would even *that* allow it)

Naraht (talk) 22:56, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Cirrus doesn't support it, no - its regex engine is frustratingly impractical for anything even a little more complex than toy examples. And I'm not aware of any other way to search wikitext without expending a huge amount of effort, namely, downloading a dump of mainspace, either importing it into a sql engine or parsing it yourself or with WP:AWB, and searching that. —Cryptic 23:25, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Request a query. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:25, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Would tell you to come back here or WP:VPT. "Quarry does not have access to page content, so queries which require checking wikitext cannot be answered with Quarry." We'd be able to see pages with links to Omega Psi Phi, but not the text it's piped to, or even that it's piped. —Cryptic 07:58, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@Naraht: See Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser#AutoWikiBrowser_and_searching_for_pages_with_capture_regex. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:21, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

HelpedNaraht (talk) 13:52, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

November 25

Dara Huang

Dara Huang

Re number 5 is not quite right. Please fix - I cannot do this, sorry. Srbernadette (talk) 03:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@Srbernadette Fixed. There was a special character in the date parameter, and the date was incomplete. Sandcat555 (talk) 03:47, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Automated edit count?

Would anyone know if it's possible to automate the edit count figure on my user page? Sandcat555 (talk) 03:50, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

perhaps with a bot or something? Sandcat555 (talk) 03:51, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

I could have sworn this was possible, but the best I can find for you right now is Template:Editcount. -- asilvering (talk) 04:35, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Various stats for your account are available here: https://xtools.wmcloud.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/Sandcat555 and are usually up to date (occasionally there can be a lag of a couple of minutes). Feline Hymnic (talk) 12:06, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, but that won't automate the edit count on someone's userpage. -- asilvering (talk) 16:44, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@Asilvering Would a bot somehow be able to see the wmcloud page and then auto edit my userpage? Sandcat555 (talk) 21:58, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Bot requests/Frequently denied bots#Bots to update edit counts. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter Dang. I was really hoping this was a thing. Sandcat555 (talk) 03:28, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

@Feline Hymnic I already have that linked on my userpage. I was wondering if the actual number can be automatically updated Sandcat555 (talk) 21:57, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@Sandcat555 If you activate the gadget navigation popups then one of the things you get when you hover over another user's name (or your own) is information including edit count. That's all I need to see you are currently at 765 edits. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:29, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

(untitled)

I gave you $110 a few years ago. Seeing that you're constantly begging for a $2.75 "donation", I should be exempt for the next 33+ years. 2600:1700:F100:6520:FD88:3207:2D2:B365 (talk) 07:36, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia has no way to link donations to a specific account or IP address. You are not obliged to donate, and if you don't want to, you can always close the annoying ads. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 07:45, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

One of the problems with IP editing is that you do get to see regular messages asking for donations. If you are logged in as a user, you can avoid this.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:51, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

You both read my mind; FYI, see what I said above about concerns over donations. 2601AC47 (talk·contribs·my rights) Isn't a IP anon 13:20, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Help with NPS sources

Hello,

NPS nomination forms have a section for "representation in existing surveys," as seen here on the bottom of the first page. What does this mean? Does it have something to do with a broader area-wide geographic survey, or a more specific historical site survey? Thanks so much!

JuxtaposedJacob (talk) | :) | he/him | 09:57, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Signature

Hello, I'm trying to make my signature but it can't be fixed. Here's what my signature should look like: Garudam ^Talk!

But as you can see it's currently messed. Please someone tell me how it can be fixed? And what error I'm making in this syntax: '''<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman;">[[User:Garudam|<span style="color:black">'''Garudam'''</span>]]^{[[User talk:Garudam|<span style="color: gray;">'''''Talk!''''']]}</span>''' (talk) 12:23, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@Garudam: Select "Treat the above as wiki markup" below the signature field. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:53, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter I did exactly but it shows some syntax error like "span" '''<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman;">[[User:Garudam|<span style="color:black">'''Garudam'''</span>]]^{[[User talk:Garudam|<span style="color: gray;">'''''Talk!''''']]}</span>''' (talk) 12:54, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@Garudam: You are missing two </span> as the message should say. Adding them should work: '''<span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">[[User:Garudam|<span style="color: black;">'''Garudam'''</span>]]</span> '''<sup>[[User talk:Garudam|<span style="color: gray;">'''''Talk!'''''</span>]]</sup>. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

That helps @PrimeHunter Thanks. Garudam ^Talk! 13:08, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

John Perrot Quaker - Add image

Hi, I have uploaded a copyright free Wikimedia Commons image of the above but am struggling to incorporate it in the article. Your help would be much appreciated, I used to be able to do this but I'm getting old!

• c:File:John Perrot Quaker.png
• John Perrot (Quaker)

Horatius At The Bridge (talk) 12:53, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@Horatius At The Bridge: I have added it to {{Infobox person}} with |image=.[1] PrimeHunter (talk) 13:09, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks PrimeHunter

Horatius At The Bridge (talk) 13:37, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Margaret Greville

There are two pages about Margaret Greville. I am a Research Historian - as a Volunteer at Polesden Lacey. I have written a book also which is the Maggie Greville Story. I have researched for more than thirteen years the history of Maggie Greville, her father William McEwan and Polesden Lacey. I wish to change the existing article totally.It contains misinformation. It is not correct. I have a huge number of references to prove my research. How can I remove the existing article and provide a new article which tells the truth, and is far more interesting? 13truthknown (talk) 14:11, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@13truthknown You do not start a new article, you improve the existing one, one bit at a time. A WP-article on any subject is meant to be a summary of reliable sources (WP:RS) on that subject, and if you wish to make edits that can "stick", you need to understand what sources are considered reliable around here, and guidance like WP:SELFCITE. You need to know how to add references correctly in the WP-environment, this is essential, WP:TUTORIAL has a start on that.

My suggestion is: start small. Make a few edits, see what happens, then make a few more. If other editors react, WP:COMMUNICATE. Do not throw out existing sources in favor of your book. If your book is WP:SELFPUB, don't use it as a source at all. Hope this helps some. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:55, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Btw, if you meant there are two WP-articles about Margaret Greville, which is the other one, please? That might need fixing. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:57, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@13truthknown Incidentally, Wikipedia doesn't claim to give readers the truth (see that link). Instead, by policy, we ensure that facts in our articles can be verified from the sources we quote. The article on Margaret Greville was first created in 2007 and has been improved incrementally by many editors since then, which is why you should follow Gråbergs Gråa Sång's advice. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:08, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@13truthknown, as has already been said, a self-written book, particularly if self-published or published by a vanity press is never going to be an acceptable source. If you have access to proper independent verifiable sources, by all means use them to improve the article, but no original research please Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:19, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Margaret Greville, 6th Baroness Willoughby de Broke is a different person Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:25, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Just a heads-up that an SPA removed a referenced section regarding Greville's pro-Nazi inclinations Jimfbleak - talk to me? 11:17, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

That's... technically correct, I guess. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:40, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Username

Help please every username I offer has been taken no matter how random Gnasher24 (talk) 16:06, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Gnasher24, you already have a Wikipedia account (your username is @Gnasher24). So unsure what you are asking here? qcne (talk) 16:13, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Also, WP has over 116 million registered user-accounts, that's quite a lot of taken user-names. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:15, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@Gnasher24 Gnasher25 is available (etc). Shantavira|^{feed me} 17:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@Gnasher24 You can use Special:ListUsers to search over existing usernames and see what might be available. Read the instructions at the top of that page carefully. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:25, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

A username can also be rejected if it looks too similar to an existing name. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:29, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Suggested edits paused

Hello, I noticed that my suggested edits have been paused until December 1, 2024. The notification mentioned some contributions were reverted, but I wasn't provided with specific details. Could someone please help clarify why this happened and how I can resolve it? Thank you. Lokkyboy ([User talk : Lokkyboy|talk]) 17:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lokkyboy (talk • contribs)

I can't tell what you are referring to. Please clarify: where did you make these suggested edits? ColinFine (talk) 19:48, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

I think they are referring to the Suggested edits widget on Special:Homepage qcne (talk) 20:15, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@Lokkyboy: You have apparently encountered a feature specific to the Android app: mw:Wikimedia Apps/Team/Android/AppEditorTasks#Suggested Edits 3.0 - Improved Suggested Edits Homescreen and Feature Pausing (released 25 November 2019). I had not heard about it before and don't know what triggered it. The only edits at Special:Contributions/Lokkyboy with the "Reverted" tag are four edits in April and May 2022. I don't know whether the feature looks back so far when you have few edits since then. I suggest you just try again after December 1 if you want to use suggested edits. You are free to edit in other ways, e.g. finding tasks at Wikipedia:Community portal#Help out. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:54, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

November 26

Asking for views about validity of an List of public elementary schools in New York City

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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I was unsure where to ask this question, so I would like to post a redirection from here to my question.

Wikipedia:Teahouse#Validity_of_an_Wikipedia:Notability_§_Stand-alone_lists_article

It is a question of the validity of an article in English. TarantaBabu (talk) 10:35, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

@TarantaBabu no need to crosspost. Both the Teahouse and Help desk are for asking questions related to editing Wikipedia. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 10:42, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Mobile app logout issue

I'm using am Android phone, using dark mode for the Wikipedia app. On the mobile app, usually when I load talk pages, they render as a white mode web page, and I'll be logged out. Sometimes I can work around it, but both the work around and the error aren't consistent.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 16:05, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

I think the error occurs if I directly open the talk page link - if I navigate there from the article/Wikipedia space via the drop down, then it works fine and I'm not logged out.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 16:50, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

I'd also check out this Android app FAQ to see if there's a way around it (to my knowledge, you'll have to try going through here via your browser). 2601AC47 (talk·contribs·my rights) Isn't a IP anon 16:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Indigenous identity friad

Hello I have attempted to go through the proper channels in wiki. A profile is being inaccurately listed as indigenous for a person who has no indigenous ancestry. This type of misinformation is a form of colonial erasure and upholds racism. I have opened what I hope would be a dialogue about it, as an indigenous person myself this is a very important issue to me but instead of being heard with understanding the person in the chat and who is exclusively modifying this wiki page is arguing with me and gaslighting my valid concerns. Can somebody who is not bias please come be apart of this discussion and hear out why they change is necessary and should be protected. This is the dialogue. Talk:Jani Lauzon#Identity Fraud 135.12.162.209 (talk) 17:01, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

I see, and (forgive me if I misread this) it's a case of pretending to be indigenous when, apparently and accordingly, she's not. This is backed by reliable sources, right? You may, if necessary, bring this to the Biographies of living persons Noticeboard. 2601AC47 (talk·contribs·my rights) Isn't a IP anon 17:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

It should be noted that [2] doesn't provide evidence supporting the conclusion that Lauzon is not Indigenous. I did cite it in the article as evidence that her identity has been called into question, but since the evidence isn't shown in the report like it is for other reporting on "Pretendians", I think accepting it as fact enough to remove "Metis" from the lede would fall foul of WP:GRAPEVINE. AceSevenFive (talk) 18:09, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Island of Montreal

Hello,

On the page Island of Montreal, the map in the infobox displays the place name to the right of the coordinates, overlapping with the data under the map. Would someone know how to put the place name above the coordinates, as there is plenty of space there? Thanks.

17:55, 26 November 2024 (UTC) ActiveContributor2020 (talk) 17:55, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

@ActiveContributor2020: I have added pushpin_label_position = top and {{nowrap}}.[3] PrimeHunter (talk) 18:34, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Sandbox to Draft namespace

Hi, I have a draft about Dodge Woodall in my sandbox: Sandbox.

Could someone help move it to the Draft namespace with the title `Draft:Dodge Woodall`?

I don’t meet the auto confirmed requirements yet (4 days old, 10 edits), and I need to publish this ASAP.

Thank you! Josh Haines (talk) 18:25, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

@Josh Haines If you add the template {{User sandbox}} to the top of your sandbox, it will give you a link which will allow you to submit the draft directly for review. There is no need to move it. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:29, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

@Josh Haines -- a few things on this topic. Before moving it over, please take some time to review WP:BLP as this article still has some problems that should be addressed before you bring more attention to it, and it might subsequently be speedily deleted. The second is to take a moment to look at WP:PAID as it looks like (based on your username) you might have a financial relationship with Woodall. Creating such articles are not prohibited, but they can be problematic for people who do not understand the processes involved. TiggerJay (talk) 18:55, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi, thank you for your feedback, could you please notify me as to how to cater to the things you've just told me?

What would you recommend changing quickly to avoid deletion? Josh Haines (talk) 19:05, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

You might start by removing bold text, overly promotional language, and the rather spammy links. You also need to find better sources. See WP:BLP. Shantavira|^{feed me} 19:24, 26 November 2024 (UTC)